Datapoint for feature 60A and language wals_code_jpn

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3 Responses to “Datapoint for feature 60A and language wals_code_jpn”

  1. joan Says:

    I will not pretend to be an expert, but according to my understanding of this, japanese should be in the adjectives-relative clauses collapsed, because:

    genitive is usually expressed with the “no” particle:
    yama no hana = mountain’s flower
    watashi no jidoosha = my car

    while (most) adjectives are treated like verbs in a lot of ways:
    akai hana = red flower
    akakatta hana = the flower that was red (lit. : red-in-the-past flower)

    procrastinating again, *sight*

  2. Justin Olbrantz (Quantam) Says:

    As Joan says, this answer isn’t quite right. Japanese uses two separate types of adjectivals commonly. As indicated by this feature value, it is common to use genitive phrases where English would use an adjective. However, as Joan describes, adjectival relative clauses using stative verbs are equally common for this purpose. Thus no single value of this parameter is fully accurate.

  3. Greg Pringle Says:

    Regrettable that Japanese is treated this way.

    Japanese relative clauses end in verb forms.

    Japanese genitives use the particle ‘no’.

    Japanese adjectives are more complicated. There are two types:

    1. Ordinary adjectives ending in ‘-i’, e.g., ‘akai’ red. Past tense in ‘-katta’, e.g. ‘akakatta’ was red. Historically this is the ‘-ku’ form of the adjective (substituting ‘-ku’ for ‘-i’) plus the past tense of the verb ‘aru’ ‘to be’: ‘akaku atta’ > ‘akakatta’. This form reemerges in negatives and when particles are inserted (’akaku nakatta’ was not red, ‘akaku wa aru’ is red, to be sure, but…

    2. What are sometimes known as quasi-adjectives (keiyō-dōshi in Japanese). For the most part these require a form of the copula to function as adjectives. E.g., ’sizuka da’ is quiet (predicative), ’sizuka na’ (attributive) ‘quiet’. The problem is ‘na’, which is a unique form that is found only in this position (attributive) but can distributionally be regarded as a special form of the copula.

    A few adjectives occur in both forms, e.g., ‘ōkii’ big, which can occur attributively either as ‘ōkii’ or ‘ōki na’.

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